October 19, 2011 Bob P Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. support. Shari He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. September 29, 2007 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. eddiek I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. (thankfully returning in '81). McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? September 29, 2007 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He was so moody', so intense, sodifferent that former San Diego Charger owner Gene Klein once called him "the strangest human being I've ever met." The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. bob saunders For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Feat Fan Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Shari I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. The history of the Mets, as it was reported when it happened! The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. ''I've still got glazes and frostings to make,'' Lolich said, offering a robust handshake as he returned to the kitchen. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. End of Line The building behind them to the left was the Orion Review building. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Mr. Sparkle pete Larry Burns February 25, 2003 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Max Power But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Stu Baron Shickhaus Franks In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. =Chuck= Bartolo Colon etc). Nutty. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. NYB Buff I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Bartolo Colon etc). I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Bob P He started 45 games and completed 29. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. End of Line He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. View All + Want. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Jim Snedeker Dianna Jeanneh Jones Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. May 6, 2003 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. April 23, 2003 April 30, 2009 According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. April 27, 2013 This has never happened before? Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Really? In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. June 11, 2003 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Mr. Sparkle November 19, 2002 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Mickey liked his doughnuts. December 13, 2007 It was not made for the purpose of improving the team. August 11, 2015 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. January 12, 2011 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. January 12, 2011 He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972). There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. See the article in its original context from. September 12, 2002 Mike B McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. August 7, 2018 Mickey liked his doughnuts. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. April 24, 2003 November 3, 2006 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Dianna Jeanneh Jones August 7, 2018 November 10, 2002 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in.

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